tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179708735520151974.post8341245538051431163..comments2022-11-21T09:53:47.898-05:00Comments on Blogging through global societies: I’m about to call (almost) everyone else wrong, and its ok to hate me for itPiotr Koniecznyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17176515435484290423noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179708735520151974.post-14877864309400712452009-09-27T19:02:09.412-04:002009-09-27T19:02:09.412-04:00People keep mentioning anarchists, protesters and ...People keep mentioning anarchists, protesters and rioters like they are all the same thing, and act as if there is no overlap between protesters and students. Both of those are wrong, ignorant, and arrogant assumptions. Stefan, you do have a point that when there is an act that goes against a "peaceable assembly," the legal protection is lost, though the laws against excessive force still apply. Beyond that, however, is the fact that the acts of vandalism and such were committed along Forbes, yet the firing of tear gas, shooting of rubber bullets (I believe they were beanbags...), beatings, arrests, etc began in the park. Which is where a different group of people had gathered separately. While there may have been some people theoretically blocking a (closed) street, that was not where the tear gas was first fired. It was fired at the park, where there was not violence, there was not any illegal activity, etc.<br /><br />And I would like to know, Gabby, based on your standard that if authority figures feel threatened, they must fire, if you then would defend the actions of National Guardsmen at Kent State during protests against the Vietnam War.chazz adenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11139989028290198681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179708735520151974.post-9814253944405339292009-09-26T14:25:36.540-04:002009-09-26T14:25:36.540-04:00A riot is defined (http://tinyurl.com/y9kvmzr) as ...A riot is defined (http://tinyurl.com/y9kvmzr) as a group of people "intentionally or recklessly causes or creates a grave risk of public terror or alarm. A person commits the crime of inciting to riot if he commands, solicits, incites or urges another person to engage in tumultuous and violent conduct of a kind likely to cause or create a grave risk of public terror or alarm. Riots disturb public peace and safety and require police action."<br /><br />When a group of 100 moves towards a line of police (i.e. Spartans from the Halo videogames), it can be justly called a riot. "A person may be often arrested for rioting after being informed by police officers that they are participating in an unlawful assembly and are ordered to disperse. If the crowd does not disperse, its members become subject to arrest for the crime of rioting, disturbing the peace, resisting arrest or other crimes." <br />-Devils Advocate<br /><br />The freedom of assembly clause says that the people can peacefully assemble. (Peaceable can be defined as: inclined or disposed to avoid strife; not hostile.) But if there is no peacefulness, then there is no legal protection. I think the protests were peaceful until the anarchists (or whoever was doing the unpeacefulness) acted unpeacefully. At that point it became a "riot," and the police were thereafter justified (legally, not morally!) in arresting, smoking, and attempting to disperse the crowd. I do not agree with the actions of the police on Thursday night, but the actions were not unlawful.<br />-Stefan LarsonStefan Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15240199419165940929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179708735520151974.post-66906479689114321992009-09-25T10:02:23.562-04:002009-09-25T10:02:23.562-04:00I was present for all of these riots. And I was j...I was present for all of these riots. And I was just trying to return to my dorm after visiting a friend in Lothrop. However, I find it hard to believe that the police just starting harassing the crowd. Everyone has to understand that when large groups gather like that, it can instigate violence. One thing goes wrong, and everyone erupts into anger. The police are just as afraid as we are, and if they feel threatened, they must fire. They were also informed to not let anyone gather in the streets like that. Their main thing was to make sure the streets were clean. So when you say they went against our rights, they really didn't. They were told, as well as us (for awhile they were shouting get back and I was told to get back to my dorm as quick as possible). I do find the beatings completely out of line, but put yourself in their situation. When people are throwing in bricks to damage shops, setting fires to the middle of the street, everyone becomes one image and the police grab whoever they can. We were told not to leave our dorms, so if a student is caught in a riot act, it was your choice and you may very well take a beating from the police squads. Some of these protests have nothing to do with the G20. This is not a gathering for all political problems, this is an economic gathering. These anarchists can stop terrorizing our campus and go back home. The sad thing about the city is that we needed all of these cops with the riots taking place. I find it very disheartening that people would get that out of control and the police resort of violence on campus. I understand your opinion and I am sorry if I offended you in any way. I respect your post, however, I had to write something.Gabby Szlachta-McGinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18026938548907527218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7179708735520151974.post-70801077855099130362009-09-25T05:35:30.805-04:002009-09-25T05:35:30.805-04:00oops...sorry for keeping those wikipedia links in ...oops...sorry for keeping those wikipedia links in there...chazz adenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11139989028290198681noreply@blogger.com